Garmin vs strava sync

[John_Stoveld]

This thread was quite helpful.
I’m going to probably stop using Strava for my data feed soon but want to make sure I do this correctly like the OP.

I find that if I start to use wahoo - intervals duplicates entries (respects both wahoo and Strava). Rightfully so I believe as my bolt pushes to both Strava and wahoos cloud based service.
So two files at the exact same timestamp are pulled in from two sources and doubles the training load etc.

So short question: how do I cut over safely to wahoo as the source of truth for my fitness data into intervals without this duplication issue?

[Nik_Om_Cinderella_Ri]

If u don’t want to have Strava data here. Just deselect download Strava data.

But if you want the names from Strava to be here, then select keep names in sync or something like that.

Basically it just stops intervals from reaction to stravas notification that there is new data for user X.

[John_Stoveld]

This is probably me not stating a crucial bit of info: if I select download workouts from wahoo. It starts from the start of time. So everything on that service.

But I guess your answer relates to if I want to keep the workout names? That’s not important to me. At least not how I quantify my fitness no.

[Nik_Om_Cinderella_Ri]

@John_Stoveld

. It starts from the start of time. So everything on that service.

Don’t get this. Start of time = the first day you started using wahoo?

Historical data?

You can do couple of things

1. download all strava data (see forum thread on strava data)
2. upload all these data. These will replace existing strava data w the uploaded data. Now your data is actually your data again. Lolz
3. untick download strava activities
4. new workouts will come from wahoo.

It’s just switches over.

[John_Stoveld]

I will give this a shot tomorrow and revert back.
Thank you for clarifying.

But yes - start of time / start of onboarding with wahoo service is what I meant.

[Nik_Om_Cinderella_Ri]

Warning Message When Dissconnecting Strava

Been there. Done that. Sometimes the fingers are faster than the brain. Hence. No amount of notice w red fonts or big fonts will help as much as one would think. You can take it up w Strava on why your data is theirs. P Nope. I think david has stated that much perhaps in not so many words but your data is your data. But you do agree to have it processed and compared as a population

Take note of the messages ya. Be aware and read and process them.

[John_Stoveld]

Oh this is actually quite brilliant - It took me a hot minute to fully understand what you meant by the data being mine again.

I just requested my strava archive.

If I upload everything from the archive and start syncing with Wahoo. ALL of these workouts will start to load still.

So I still think I will have 2 copies of many of my workouts.
When you authorize Wahoo there I dont see a way to filter what gets uploaded. I believe it will take all 1389 workouts and upload them.

Which begs the question – do I want to just nuke my connetion to strava and pull the bandaid off?

[Nik_Om_Cinderella_Ri]

@John_Stoveld

When you authorize Wahoo there I dont see a way to filter what gets uploaded. I believe it will take all 1389 workouts and upload them.

I don’t have a Wahoo. I switched from Strava to Garmin. I can’t remember if I did the whole archive thing from Garmin when I switched over but what happened was I turned off Strava sync (or download of new activities) and turned on Garmin.

Then from that day forward, only got new Garmin activities.

I do believe that Garmin won’t be so nice to pump all the archive data if you didn’t request for it. (Takes much processing and cpu time. So why do it unless it’s requested?)

So my take is - when u turn off strava and turn on wahoo. Only new activities gets sent to intervals.

That’s what happens when I switched over.

Just so it’s clear
Strava archive when loaded into intervals will just replace existing Strava(api) loaded activities with the archive and overwrite it from STRVA to UPLOAD (manual) hence making it that these activities does not come from Strava api hence not tied to their T&C.

[John_Stoveld]

This is helpful.

I appreciate Nik. I have my archive and Ill try this today.
Send the good vibes and cross some fingers for me.

Order of Operations:
Req/DL Archive from Strava - Done
Disconnect Strava from Intervals - TODO
Authorize Wahoo - TODO
Check if all data is there - TODO
Upload Archive if data is missing - TODO

I think the last 3 are conditional - I dont know if intervals will just process both files for one day or know that they happened at the same time and take one over the other.

Ideal scenario my Fitness, Fatigue and Form should be the same or very close to when this process is complete.

[Nik_Om_Cinderella_Ri]

@John_Stoveld

Disconnect Strava from Intervals - TODO

Just so it’s clear, you’re just gonna UNTICK the box that says “Download Activities”

DO NOT press the revoke access.

it’s actually OK to just leave the “download activities” to be there. In fact, in my setup, I have BOTH Garmin & Strava as “download activities”

Garmin Data will replace Strava Data and only keep some relevant things (like strava name, starva ID If not mistaken - so you can click the strava link and it’ll open the activity in strava)

This “~ Strava” link

[John_Stoveld]

Can you show me a screen shot of what that looks like on your activities page?
My understanding is if a day (lets say today) I have Wahoo and Strava BOTH send to Intervals - my intervals will double my TSS, Fatigue etc…

Is that not accurate?

[app4g]

@John_Stoveld

I have Wahoo and Strava BOTH send to Intervals - my intervals will double my TSS, Fatigue etc…

Intervals.icu will de-dupe the data (based on workout time / duration etc etc) and will discard the Strava data (higher priority given to non-strava data) and you will only end up with 1 single workout.

UNLESS you are recording with multiple headunits. (Outdoors, I record w/ 2 head units and both data gets sent to Garmin + Strava and Intervals. I need to manually delete 1 of them. But the TSS etc remains generaated from 1 single workout

Hope that helps

[John_Stoveld]

OK that is cool.
Bandaid comes off this afternoon when I can monitor the progress

Stoke is medium-high today.

[John_Stoveld]

Alright - Un Ticked Strava Download Activities
Authorized Wahoo.
Selected Download Old Activities (Given the weighting pref shared by app4g)

Pre Wahoo Sync Fitness was 95.
We are now at 98. But there are 450 workouts that have to be pulled down.

Little bit of dark side of the moon now.
Waiting game.

[John_Stoveld]

Looks good! Thanks team!
Im also now getting some of the new fun jazz with L/R balance and the good stuff strava was stripping out!

Big win. Danke!

[app4g]

@John_Stoveld

Selected Download Old Activities (Given the weighting pref shared by app4g)

Note that I didn’t do this. I just “switched” over by adding Garmin. Thats about all I did. Just connect Garmin and have it download activities

[Nik_Om_Cinderella_Ri]

this is the way…

@John_Stoveld

and the good stuff strava was stripping out!

[paolot]

Hi everyone!

I just created a new account and started syncing with both Garmin and Strava.

Since I wanted to have the full history, I also uploaded both dumps from Garmin and Strava and got covered from my very first activity.

My problem now is that I can’t find some of my activities by the name I’ve set on Strava but not on Garmin.

How can I handle this situation?

I read in some past replies that there should be a way of taking the Strava name and Garmin data, but how?

Thanks a lot!

Garmin vs strava sync

Intervals will prefer the Garmin Connect FIT file because it has more data (like L/R). The Strava activity will remain linked and Intervals will use some of the extra info that you can get from Strava and not from Garmin (activity name for example). You will not get duplicates, Intervals handles this Garmin/Strava combination perfectly and the result is max information combined from both sources.

Garmin vs strava sync

Intervals.icu will generally delete the Strava activity if there is a matching Garmin activity (optionally using the Strava name and copying the segments) so its ok if the Strava one gets deleted properly at some point.

P.S.: Is there any way of forcefully discarding “deleted” activities once and for all?

[John_Stoveld]

From my experience above with Wahoo - You should not discard anything.
As @app4g and @Nik_Om_Cinderella_Ri shared Intervals actually prioritizes non Strava workouts. But you can still have the title as it will “blend” the two.

See my screenshot below:

Ride title via Strava and on the right Wahoo and Strava.
But if you look at it on the activities page:
Its one single entry:

Though as I am about to hit the reply button:
If you want to search Intervals by strava title - I havent done that before.
I tend to look back on the activities page and the fitness page rather than remembering a semi-clever ride title.

[paolot]

In my case, it’s only marked as Garmin.

What could be the reason? Does it make sense to upload just this Strava activity manually to see what happens?