AI Endurance / Intervals.icu Integration

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Hi @Markus_Rummel.

  1. I connected to Garmin. It does not appear to load historic RHR data, only data going forward. Is that correct?
  2. It tells me I am not using DFA a1. What do I need to do to populate that? I am using a Garmin Venu 3 with HRV logging on 24/7
    Thanks!

Not at the moment

Hi,

  1. it should be loading the historic RHR data too. Send me an email with your account email to markus@aiendurance.com and I can check your account
  2. you need Garmin that logs HRV from an chest strap HRM wrist based optical HR doesn’t work. I think Venu does not have that feature unfortunately, you can see a list of devices that can log in-activity HRV in our FAQ

Re #2: I do have a Garmin Edge 1030 Plus. I think I set it up correctly.
Am I right in thinking that this only logs HRV during an activity?

If your Garmin is not natevily recording HRV, this is worth a try:

If your device is not capable, it won´t hurt.

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Yes that’s right. If you can or you’re in the market for a new HRM anyways, get a Polar H10. They’re the best for HRV

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This is great news! After reading it, I immediately signed up for the trial today.

@Markus_Rummel I might have a similar situation as @Duppie
I have a Garmin Epix (Gen2), and I see resting HR, HRV status (nightly during sleep) and HRV data for workouts from a Polar H10 or OH1 in Garmin Connect.

After connecting to Garmin, it looks like there is no resting HR imported, even though I ticked the “Daily Health stats” box. Is that only for future data and not historic? And I see DFA a1 in imported workouts, but not in the dashboard. But that could of course also be related to “b) we need several days of measurements to establish a reliable trend.”

But any idea about the resting HR?

Thanks!

Okay, maybe I just wasn’t patient enough :smile:

After some time, it looks like the fields have been populated. So I’ll just be a little bit more patient, and see what happens.

Thank you

No worries, let me know in case there’s still something missing. The DFA alpha 1 recovery score should be N/A on days without in-activity HRV data by the way

Perfect, I’ll do. Looks like everything is there, yesterday DFA alpha 1 also showed up, since I did a run earlier, today it’s indeed N/A, since I didn’t run yet.

One more question, since I’m not sure if it’s a bug, or I’m missing something:

As a goal event, I’ve entered a Half-Marathon in 16 weeks on the “Plan” tab.

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My digital twin on the “Past Data” tab seems to be training for a Marathon.

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What’s the easiest way to get me and my twin on the same page for the event? Update the goal event once more?

You’re right that it should be Actual vs Digital Twin for Half-Marathon on the Past Data tab. Did you maybe use “Custom Configuration” event type and Marathon was one of the disciplines you selected? If not please update one more time but if the problem persists please email me with your account email at markus@aiendurance.com and I’ll have a look, thanks!

Hi Markus, your thought’s on the MoveSense heart strap ?
Bruce Rogers seems to be very happy with it’s performance.

[Movesense HR+ Sensor]
(Movesense HR+ Sensor — Movesense)

Thanks.

Hi Markus, given that the Venu 3 does not log HRV correctly, is there any value in daily entering the HRV using the check-in function?
Thanks!

Hi Markus – not to gutter your work (as it were) but I think your algo needs a bit of tuning. At least for me. The VO2 and AC workouts it laid out for me were way low. For ex:
-90sec VO2 intervals that land in my sweet spot/sub-threshold zone.
-20-sec anaerobic intervals that are 300 watts below where I do actually them.
Note: the algo had access to data from some of these recent workouts (where I put up true VO2 and AC power) so it should have been closer.
I hope I don’t come off overly critical (entirely possible I missed something). But I did want to pass along my out-of-the-box experience with the app.
Regards,
Brenon

Hi Roberto,

Agree with Bruce. Movesense and Suunto HRM are great for HRV as well

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Hi Duppie,

Actually while the Venu doesn’t log in-activity HRV I think it still may log overnight HR/HRV. For the latter you need to connect Garmin Health and enable the “Daily Health Stats” checkbox. If you don’t want to use that data and are using another app we’re not (indirectly) integrated with you can enter the values manually.

The recovery model works totally fine without DFA alpha 1 but ‘only’ overnight HR/HRV

Hi Brenon,

No problem and thank you for the feedback.

For the zone detection: it may well be that we’re detecting your zones too low. We use a combo of threshold measurements and power distribution over your recent activities to estimate them but depending on your recent activities it looks like that didn’t work very well. You can also manually adjust the zones in the Account settings.

For the AC: we prescribe them rather vaguely above upper limit of VO2Max zone but feel free to do them as high as you can.

I know the readiness index because I have been gathering data from quite a few athletes, and honestly, in my humble opinion, it is not very useful. In fact, several tests on the same day have yielded totally different results. It is a value that can easily be falsified by changing the warm-up. Not all training sessions require the same warm-up. As for alpha-1 at 0.75, since the pandemic, I have been saying that it is not very useful, and I have completely verified that. In fact, the comparisons I have with my artificial intelligence trained to detect thresholds and verified with different laboratory tests are infinitely more accurate than using 0.75 or even 1.0. I started testing AI Endurance when it came out (I test all platforms), and although the idea is good, I think the approach needs to change. I don’t know what has changed since I tested it because in the end, if I try everything, I have to allocate a large part of my salary to applications. I would be happy to know what changes it has undergone.

Hi Luisma,

As we describe here it’s a useful comparison to previous activity’s warmups if the current activity falls within the ‘support’ of the previous data. If not it’s hard to compare indeed.

When you say you have completely verified that: can you point me to this work? Couldn’t find anything in quick search online.

We’re actually looking into respiration rate as well and agree it’s very promising in finding the thresholds. We should have a blog post out about this some time next week.