I am excited about this feature…
Thx
Oopss… that really doesn’t seem right. Not entirely sure what is happening w/ the Wahoo (My trainer is using FEC-ANT+ over Bluetooth so is this a FTMS issue?)
Can you please
This will collect the data every 5secs and will show what is happening w/ the Power Spikes.
BTW - this are “real” spikes that you feel on the trainer or just an artifact of the graph? The Power really went up like 50w or something like that? (Your version of the app, would limit each wattage increase/decrease to 14w Max. Can’t see if the spikes are > 14w)
Let’s see what the logs says.TQ
Here is the workout.
Will log next workout I do…
Yes… these are real power spikes of 50-80W… You feel it….
I could have been using an older version 54 in TestFlight… but I have now downloaded version 56. Maybe that might do it?
And its odd that the first 10 mins seems fine and then the spikes appear. I recall that I used the ± button to see what it did.,…
Yes… Yes… please do try it out using the App store version. TBH, I am not certain what was changed in the TestFlight version vs the Released version. I’ve been using the HR Target option for 1++ month and i’m so glad that this was done. Really shows how aerobically “unfit” I am in holding to Z2 HR.
Dang… I’m alry prepping a release that will do this, but ONLY a change to next interval (not during an interval) to accomodate Zone to Zone HR changes (eg: Z2 → Z4 - Not ramp)
Send me the log when you get it tho hopefully the new Version direct from the Apple App Store will automagically resolve this.
TX
Tried version 56 from App Store. Forgot to log it like you suggested… was going well and then suddenly the spikes appeared. See attached.
.Same workout as I attached in my response earlier…
Today i tried your same workouts for 2 instances. Using the App Store version (56) and I am unable to see the spikes that you are seeing. (my trainer is using ANT+FEC over Bluetooth which I think your trainer should be using FTMS - BTW - what trainer brand/model is it?)
Test1
Test2
edit: Didn’t realise the title is lost during the screenshot. it’s Power / HR / Cadence
In Both instances, you can see that my power reading is quite noisy (I’m using Assioma Pedals and powerMatching w/ my trainer.) and some instances of spikes is actually when I stopped/slowed down pedalling (cadence) and when I re-start pedalling the spike in power is there. (But Target power to the Trainer is unchanged)
May I know if you’re
What was your Cadence during those Spikes? Is there cadence recorded as well?
Please send me the logs, it would really help a lot to determine what is happening.
With the Log, I can determine what is the Target Power being sent to the trainer. The App is doing checks every 5 seconds, but I’m wondering if it’s the trainer firmware that’s doing something different. Do you have issues when doing structured workouts in ERG mode?
I have just submitted a new version w/ more logging to Apple for Beta Testing. Hopefully it will be available by tomorrow. - June 10th.
@EssEss Beta version has been approved by apple on TestFlight. Let me know the results and send me the logs when available.
TX
Thanks… will do… but not soon… unfortunately my hip bursitis flared up…need to manage this… hopefully will get back to it.
Have made some effort to tune the responsiveness of the of HR to Power changes sent to the trainer.
eg: if HR for past x seconds is > 5 / 10 / 15 / 20bpm, then we react accordingly by shortening the time between checking and reacting (and thus sending a new power target to the trainer) to counter the HR change and bring it back down/up to the desired level
Hi, im testing combining HR with power based workout integration, but i seem to be hitting a “some unsupported workouts, not supported” the minimal config i could make to trigger this error message is below. When i only have the first line (15m…) it syncs fine. Adding the 2nd line gives the error.
The workout is set to auto in intervals, breakaway is set on erg, and the error also occurs when i specify FTP or rephrase as an actual watt target. Idem when i set it on hr mode instead of erg
For workouts in ICU, I see that there are 3 options.
like the screenshots below.
I think what you’re saying is that you want to have a combined HR AND power Workout, but this isn’t one of the available options as far as I can tell. (you can see the graphic above, note the “blanks” in the graphic - this essentially means, the workout builder will assume it’s a free ride)
if you want to have a HR and Power workout, i suggest that you do something like this. Provide the workout builder w/ a (suggested) target Power and then put a HR limit to it.
This was the explanation in one of the posts above. The “suggested” target power can be something you think u will be for the HR limit you set. The app will of course do it’s own calculation to increase/decrease the target power to ensure you stay to the specified HR set.
For those intervals w/ does not have HR set, then the trainer will get sent whatever the desired power for that interval w/o a HR limit.
Tx, i must have misread earlier post as i effectively thought you could mix& match, so i wanted to do a mix of HR based VT1 with power based Sweetspot, ill do some experiments with your explanation
I just did 1h of HR based just below VT1, i must say the app does a very smooth job in adjusting the resistance to keep a stable HR, so i ive also topped up on my medals to support this app.
Did you check if your device supports workouts with different targets?
If you can’t make a workout with different targets on your device or the app that comes with it, this isn’t going to work from Intervals either.
Most devices only support one target type within the same workout. Some allow changing type at the step level.
I ride with the combination intervals+breakaway app, like app4g explained its indeed between these 2 that such mix doest work.
Breakaway controls my zwift:hub smarttrainer/assioma pp and i record my sessions on a garmin for uploading purposes.
I could see the app make small adjustments of 2-4 watts at a time to keep a stable hr, which also meant the resistance gave a smooth experience. Ideal for those sessions where you dont want to put stt much stress on your legs.
To get to my vt1 hr, the power resistance had to start around my sweatspot level, and over the course of an hour is gradually declined power resistance as fatigue kicked in. After 1h, the resistance was about 10watt above my VT1 power level. Interrestingly this means that from HR perspective this was a base ride, and from a power perspective this was seen as a tempo ride. From a RPE perspective the feel i now have in the legs post workout is more of a tempo then a base feel. I think i like this type of workout for a longer, stable ride, i dont think id use HR based for anything interval based, its really a long stable block thing.
Sorry, missed that…
No worries, tx for sharing your inputs!
I agree… I’ve been using this mode almost exclusively nowadays hence, have been tuning the algorithm over many many many sessions.
At the same time, I’ve also made the algorithm also be more responsive to interval type HR workouts, esp those <2min, there will be MUCH larger increases in target power. However, the deficiency w/ HR based workouts is that it lags vs power. Hence it will still need to do catchup, but the tuning has made it more “responsive”.
TQ for that. in-app-purchase is actually a secondary thought for me, watching ads is much better/cheaper & preferred, esp if the user is in the USA. (ads pay higher there like 0.10c vs 0.01c and even higher if there is an ad click (0.30c) - but of course, don’t click every time, then google will regard that as invalid click or worst - ban the account)
I often have the message there is no add available see image - hence the purchase of medals- Ive also noticed that in general the system seems to have (only) a handfull of adds it that are rotating ( all seem to be mobile gaming adds) are there filters that are set too strict on the selection of adds on your or my end, my region is belgium/europe
Honestly I have no idea what google ads are providing in terms of ads, I myself can’t have them on (did this mistake once and they banned me for 1++ months) so been very careful.
The only filter I’ve placed is to avoid those casino and erotic stuffs.
your location SHOULD also be better than mine, some “developing” country. But from what I read, USA would be marked better.
