FTP curve correct?

On the FTP curve I see that my 19 minute max is 246
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20 minute max is 248
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and 21 minute max is 250
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my 19 and 20 min max should also be at least 250 so I think something is wrong in the curve.

a similar situation exists on the FTP curve at 25 minutes → 245
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and at 28 minutes → 247
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also at 95 seconds → 386
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and at 70-90 seconds → 385
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Imagine a U shape, you’ve probably peaked at either side of the effort but there isn’t actually a 19 or 20 minute as high

That doesn’t make sense right? If I managed to hit a certain value at for example 20 minutes then that value automatically becomes my minimum for everything shorter than 20 minutes. You simply cannot have a lower value below that of the 20 minutes for the shorter timings.

Here’s a simple example.

1 min @ 400w
1 min @ 100w
1 min @ 400w

Then your curve would be:

1 min @ 400w
2 min @ 250w
3 min @ 300w

So the maths works.Or is it the definition of the curve you’re questioning?

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Your example works perfectly, providing it’s a linear average for the full minute.

I see what you mean Ben and it makes sense that way.

I guess perhaps the problem lays in the interpretation of the curve… it looks weird now like in your example according to the FTP curve, gathering data across many different rides, you were not able to do more than 250w avg for 2 minutes yet succeeded in doing 300w avg for 3 minutes.
Hence my confusion when looking at the FTP curve, if I was able to do 300w avg for 3 minutes, the FTP curve should then also say I was able to do 300w avg for 2 minutes. Representing actual data versus capability :slight_smile:

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I agree, the power curve should be rectified backward. Any power that you are able to sustain for “x” seconds, you are obligatorily able to, at least, sustain it for “x - n” seconds (“n” being positive ;-)).

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It’s all a matter of definition [what the power curve is]. The power curve is your personal record for each duration – it’s what you did some time. It is not a representation of what you are capable of.

Ben has given a great example of the curve and this idiosyncracy. It’s what the rider did – who’s to know if the rider was capable of 300 watts for 2 minutes [continuously]?

Long jump: if you’re able to jump 8m, you’re able to jump 4m.

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