Running Power FTP

Hi, I recently joined this web platform and it looks really promising!

I am mainly a runner but I do some cross-training on an indoor trainer as well as cross country skiing (both on snow and on roller ski). For running I use an Stryd Power pod and it would be really nice to be able to set an FTP for running power as well as HR training zones for other sports than running and biking.

Thanks
Patrik

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Tx. I will have to try find out how that works and how running power compares to cycling. Might be quite tricky to do if the zones are all different or something.

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Good luck! Have a sneak peek on Xert to see how they cope with it. And maybe this TR article is of use?

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Yes, it differs some from bike power. The biggest advantage over HR/pace is when you do hill repeats outside. Since the rest is as long as the interval, the HR lags to much to give a proper reflection of effort/load while power is instant. I find that power is also better then GAP (grade adjusted pace) .

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Yes, if would be perfect if Load Charge for running uses power when available.

I think TrainingPeaks uses the same formula than for bike (tss).

Stryd uses a different formula : https://blog.stryd.com/2017/01/28/running-stress-score/

Yes, I believe the formula is the same but the zones are different (there are a couple of different systems). When I set my running power FTP as default in WKO4 I get the same TSS number as Training peaks running power TSS

TSS = (sec x [NP x IF])/ (FTP x 3600) x 100

I mostly interested to calculate load from running power, zones are not that necessary for me. More of a nice to have

Hi, any progress on running power FTP?

I am trying out the new Elevate desktop beta application and thomas (the developer) is able to pull running power from strava so I guess it is possible. Since you already distinguish between indoor and outdoor bike FTP addinging running FTP could use the same approacha but for running activities. :slight_smile:

I can get running power but need to figure out how to integrate it. Would adding a running FTP be sufficient and doing everything else the same? At least as a start? There isn’t anywhere near as much info knocking about re running power compared to cycling.

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Hi, yes I believe so. Just to get the TSS score from running power into the fitness chart instead of HR

Hi David, yes I’d like to add my voice to getting Stryd data into intervals. As Patrik says, I reckon just having the running FTP in there somewhere so it would correctly calculate the stress into the chart that would be a great improvement.

At the minute what I do is to manually change the load of each running activity to match the load from the Stryd power center, however that’s a bit of a workaround.

Happy to help with any more info, I’ve followed Stryd for quite a while.

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If its that simple I will get on this soon. I need to do a few cycling related things first like getting power / HR on the fitness page.

Just landed here looking for critical power (CP) and running power, as a Stryd user.

Was surprised to see that my workout description magically converted my % of CP range into watts! Unfortunately, it used my Cycling FTP… Just consider this when implementing running FTP please :slight_smile:

Thanks!

That sounds awesome! Just make sure you don’t include runpower in the estimated FTP curve like strava does :). In the future though it would be awesome to be able to toggle between runpower and bikepower in the powerduration curve

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Yes I will need to add an activity type filter to that page.

Is is it real power that is actually recorded you will use or an estimate? I am using a Garmin watch and in strava you can’t see running power with that set-up

No “real” power from a Stryd or something similar because Strava returns a power trace for those.

ok, so what does that mean? That you estimate the power based on pace or GAP?

As we’re talking about running here. On the page where it shows you time in zones and your training profile, could you add the option to select or deselect specific sports. So you can see the zone breakdown for cycling, running or both? That would be a great help in knowing how to target training for each sport.

Thanks again

Yes I will be doing that soon. Its already on the list as a few people have asked.

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One other thing to look at is the instant run power available in a Garmin IQ data field. There may be more than one, but the one I use (FR920XT, so an older device and more limited selection of CIQ tools) is here: https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/530bd211-afd5-41a6-8204-9a2f7ac94541. It’s actually an interesting approach in that the scientific paper on which this is based used power measured indoor on a treadmill that could incline and decline. Power was measured by oxygen utilization. The resulting equation is relatively simple, using gender, weight, age and slope - so real time power increases when pace is constant, but you transition from flat to a hill. It’s pretty cool and seems to be reasonably correct - i.e. my run power is similar as my bike power under well-identified conditions (easy cruise pace, at VT and flat out). Just something that could probably be calculated within intervals.icu for post-run analysis…

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