Hey david, love the site and all the new additions. Would it be possible to get historic NP power curves like the avg power power curves. If not a table of say 45-60 min NP bests etc to compare “FTP” and actual performance?
Tx! Thats somewhat tricky to do. The current power curves are computed for each ride and stored so that its quick to show best power for duration for a given time period. I would need to do the same for NP. If you are doing steady efforts the avg and NP curves would be very similar anyway.
What I do have on the todo list already is showing NP as a chart on the ride timeline. Could also do training load per hour or something to show what parts of the ride generated the most load.
First I have to get backups going to Backblaze instead of Google Cloud (much much cheaper) and then I have some bugs to fix!
Great!
I see that there is also the Estimated FTP parameter for every ride.
Would be interesting to keep the Estimated FTP data more visible on the activity page (the FTP calculated for each ride).
Is it possible?
I have added that to the todo list. It is possible to plot it on the /fitness page.
This just got done. Click “Options” under the ride timeline chart and tick the box.
Thanks, great! Well done
Bringing this one back up as for actual racing other than a pure TT, NP PRs for a given duration is more useful than average power.
Also recognizing that this might be a nightmare on the backend so it’s on the list, just not near the top.
why exactly? NP shouldn’t be used for anything other than load, and even then its pretty imperfect.
Because nearly no racing format results in a flat power curve. Even TTs are likely to have one stretch that is more uphill or down than another or more headwind than tail.
In crits, road races, CX, MTB, etc., the huge variability in power required to create or follow attacks is a much better indicator of how hard a given race was or wasn’t than average power, which becomes fairly useless at some point.
I did a two-hour road race a couple of weeks back and my average power was 292 which I’m pleased with, but it still wasn’t a PR. My NP on the other hand for that same duration which featured a fair bit of activity was 366. It really opened my eyes to what I might be capable of that I would’ve thought otherwise as that’s effectively doing my FTP for two hours, which obviously isn’t a thing with average power.
Some of this is down to physiology or race style as well. Folks who sit in more or have a bit less snap are likely to see less of a gap between the two power curves and while the case can certainly be made that I could’ve balanced out mine by quite a bit and perhaps had a better result, I was working for teammates which is always going to present weird data.
And that I guess is my point. If you had told me an hour in that my NP was going to be my FTP I would’ve said I’m about to get dropped, but that was never the case. So I’m curious of other instances of high NP durations, thus the desire for the curve.
We also have a gazillion other stats on here and this seems as useful or more than many in terms of analytics.