Garmin HRV or Elite HRV - Which is more accurate?

I got a H10 for just this :wink:
But I’m thinking about switching to an Oura Ring as I usually don’t train late in the evening or eat late, so the difference between nightly and morning measurements should be negligible. My garmin however is not that accurate due to wearing a titanium bracelet instead if the silicone strap, which means that especially when laying down it can be the case that the optical sensor won’t rest against my skin perfectly.

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You should also have a look at HRV4Training!

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I’ve actually subscribed to both EliteHRV and HRV4T to compare. Early days but preferring Elite HRV at the moment.

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I find HRV4Training much easier to use than Elite. Integration with TP and Intervals is so simple.

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I’m currently waiting for my Oura Ring and am planning to use it for morning readings like Marco Altini explains in a blog (don’t have the link right now)

The API (Oura API (2.0) Documentation) gives me HRV (as rMSSD) for sessions - so just do a 3+ min session in the morning, and HRV is supposed to show up for that session. But there is no SDDN anywhere, however for sleep periods they give you HRV data as a list of values - I’m not sure what exactly those values are. If they are raw data, could I in theory calculate SDDN myself? that way I’d have SDDN from the sleep periods and rMSSD from my morning reading?

I can also recommend the Kubios HRV app (and also the free desktop version, which is way more detailed). I dumped HRV4 because if I rarely) happened to miss a day, it complained. Then it lost contact wth my chest strap; I tried using the camera/ flash, but that got to be a pain. Elite just seems to be occasionally random. I wrote to them about some numbers that were coming out strange (><20% off compared to both HRV4 and Kubios, for a while and got a weak reply about ‘changed in lifestyle’, that really didn’t apply). Kubios is free, and works well with the Decathlon store Heart Rate Monitor strap (about €30). It also doesn’t ask personal questions, like if I drank, exercised or not (nobody could give me a clear answer on whether entering anything there changed anything on the output ‘score’ for the other apps). I’ve been using both Kubios and the same HRM since 2017, elite and HRV irregularly during the similar time.Image shows HRV from 2017-to date; noticeable is the last three months drop for me - ties in with currentlife AC HRV from 2017|690x85

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It doesn’t and it shouldn’t because anything that influences HRV already has effect on the measurement. If you would also make it count with subjective scores, the effect would be doubled!
There may be apps taking it into account for the Readiness score, but they are wrong.

Dump Readiness scores because every app calculates this in a different way. These values are useless.
What that info (caffeine, alcohol, etc…) can do for you, is make correlations visible. If you inspect long term HRV history and distinctive subjective scores, you can detect eventual relations.

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The subjective scores are there to assist with looking at the trend data. Many of us would forget when we had a bad night’s sleep, or a little too much alcohol. Having the scores plotted, makes it easier to do the cross checks.

The same is done with testing and interval workouts, eg. 4x8m at FTP. Subjective scores like feel, RPE are used to correlate to the Power and HR. Being able to compare, is useful to be able to make changes for the next time.

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Dump readiness scores? What do you mean by that? Sure aren’t the MatLab and Excel sheets effectively giving a readiness score except it’s not a 1-10, it’s a text based guidance (rest, hit, lit etc). They’re readiness scores?

Readiness scores are an interpretation of the measured values RHR and rMSSD and …???
Some apps seem to take other stuff into account, others don’t. And neither of them is telling you what they use or not. That’s why these interpretations never align…
The MatLab and Excel tell you exactly what is used, RHR and LN(rMSSD) and to what the measured values are compared (30d avg…).
There’s no ‘interpretation’, it’s a mathematical outcome.

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I understand now.
I’m not sure what apps do use the subjective data to calculate the readiness score.
I know HRV4T doesn’t (other than to tell you how those scores trend) and EliteHRV definitely doesn’t use them.
I’m pretty sure EliteHRV doesn’t use HR in it’s calculations. Can’t be sure but I prefer your Excel sheet / the Matlab over the EliteHRV recommendations

I’ve been using Elite HRV for some years; I was annoyed by a bug with the breathwork feature, causing a lost connection with my chest strap (Garmin HRM Pro) after a few minutes, but the morning readiness used to work fine. In the last several months though, the same problem occurs with the morning readiness. Sometimes it interrupts after one minute, sometimes after 4:29 minutes.

I just tried Kubios after reading about it on this forum, and it has the exact same problem.
The difference is that Elite HRV still saves reading data, giving something to work with, whilst Kubios doesn’t unless I’m lucky enough to get a full reading without this disconnect trouble - which I don’t want to test every single morning.

Could it be caused by my phone?

Marco Altini states that his optical measurements are as reliable as using Polar H9/10…
At other hand Alan Couzens says only Polar gives a reliable measurement…
Who should we follow?

… at the end of the day, what’s most important is the trend and the same input.

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Optical measurement is, despite performing it on top smartphones), seems to be a random number generator :wink:
Even taking measurement after measurement, I had a scatter between the results (e.g. 7.1 and then 8.4).
Also very important is the location of the light emitting diode on the camera island in relation to the main unit (because in the HRV4T you can’t choose which unit to use for measurement - so it’s always the primary one).
Incidentally, measurements taken at the same time and under the same conditions - one as an optical, and the other with the H10 belt and a second smartphone - also gave completely different results.
Another issue in the optical measurement - is the placement of the fingertip on the camera, skin moisture, etc.

A colleague wrote here that the trend is important. And he is as right as possible. However, taking simultaneous measurements using optical technology and involving “H10” for several dozen days in a row, the trend was not maintained :frowning:

Optics, at least in my case, does not pass the test.
In my humble opinion, the sensor on the lapel is the “golden mean” for such a sensitive parameter as HRV.

greetings
Artur

Is there a way to get the data from e.g. Elite HRV into Garmin Connect?

No, that i am aware.

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I’m measuring hrv from two sources: elite hrv with H10, and also kubios with polar verity sense (optical sensor placed on the biceps). I know the h10 is superior in principle, but kubios also supports the sense. Elite hrv does not.

Today i measured both at the same time, and while the data seems pretty similar (i believe kubios does filter out some LF things), the conclusion is totally opposite: readiness 3/10 from ehrv but very high from kubios.

One caveat: the rhr is from garmin, and it somehow takes the lowest of yesterday’s value. When i took the morning measurements, i had 10 beats lower hr than what garmin tells me.

Makes me feel i could just toss a dice instead, because I can already tell from a lower RHR than usual that I’m more recovered than usual today.

Both sdnn and rmssd are above long term averages, but this is what makes ehrv post a low readiness based on high parasympathetic activity. I can post some raw values later today…

I have very consistent and useable data using a Garmin FR965 and nocturnal HRV.

In fact, of all the apps, straps, gadgets and morning vs night HRV that I’ve tried over the years this current setup is by far the most insightful and reliable.

Ditch Readiness because it’s a big cooking bowl and you don’t know what’s tossed in. Some apps throw in yesterday’s load which is total nonsens. You are not looking for something you already know (training load), you are looking for your body’s response to what you did yesterday.
You need to be consistent with rhr. The goal is to have a value at rest, just like your HRV. If not sure which value is actually used by Garmin, replace it with the Kubios measurement. RHR moves the dot in I’mReady4 following the circular lines. HRV moves it closer to or further away from the center.